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Wednesday, December 21, 2005

Pissing off the Ladies YET Again

Well, looks like the shit hit the fan, yet again, with my recent article published in Womens Poker Player magazine regarding WOE events.

It saddens me that it has to turn personal and so vindictive, and then they call ME a bitch for giving/stating my opinion? We are ALL entitled to our opinions, just like we are all entitled to not AGREE with a person's opinion. I never, ever singled out a particular woman. I never, ever personally attacked a particular woman.

Yet, it's OK for them to do so to me and then not be considered bitches? Is that hypocritical, or is that just me?

I haven't been to Poker Chix website in a long time, since the last time this particular shit hit the fan, and I don't want to go back. I know I'm not welcomed, and I know I'm hated over there. I have been told of some things that have been said about me though and it really saddens me.

I'm hated because I feel differently then they do. I'm hated because I have the nerve to state my opinion when it so strongly disagrees with their's. I'm hated because I come across a lot stronger and arrogant than I really am, but again, that's just how they perceive me. Most of them don't even KNOW me, but that's been happening a lot and that's what happens when you put yourself on the line by being active in the poker/forum/blogging community.

Disagree with my opinion, fine! Point out why I'm wrong, sure! Debate the issue with me, no problem!

But to call me a "fucking bitch" because of my opinion, to challenge me to play heads up to "show me" because of my opinion, to insult my family because of my opinion, then I have no choice BUT to attack back.

Listen to this carefully:

Read this VERY, very, carefully:

By posting what you Poker Chix's have posted on your forum, you have proven my opinions about MOST women to be TRUE.

Therefore, I don't need to say another single word about it, because you "ladies" are doing all the talking for me, and proving my point for me.

I have now closed the subject of WOE and will not discuss it again, save for comments on this blog entry.

25 Comments:

Blogger Felicia :) said...

LOL. I've always felt that there is no place for "ladies" in poker (ladies not meaning females, btw). I figured you would eventually get caught in this trap. There is no good ending. Someday you're just gonna have to become a dude like me ;)

Why don't we celebrate your getting dissed and hated by the entire poker community now (sisterhood)? I knew you'd catch up to me one day. We can go to the Palms and get drunk and win a tourney.

Call me (yeah, I forgot your phone number, blame it on chemo).

2:11 PM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

I love you, MAN!!!

I'll call you.

T

2:15 PM  
Blogger Welshman said...

Of course they hate you, a) you're probably more successful than them, b) you voice your opinion and it differs from theirs and c)they want to be you.

Woe is them indeed.

3:11 PM  
Blogger magy said...

Hey T.

Its not all women - that particular group has it out for anything that may cause harm to their pocketbook, or disagree with them in anyway, and what a sad world it would be if we didn't have differences of opinion. So don't worry. Nobody should diss you or anyone else for having their own opinion and if they do, then what kind of people are they? The kind that don't matter and the kind that will fail in the end.

Don't ever ever stop being who you are because of a few bad apples, they are not the majority and you have many excellent qualities that exceed most.

3:26 PM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

I agree with you Nagy, I know a lot of wonderful women, A LOT. But it's the bad apples that spoil the whole bunch, but only you let them, right??!!

3:31 PM  
Blogger Castle said...

Interesting title coming from a woman...

I don't know any of you and none of you know me...so we are on even ground when it comes to that.

But I am a member of pokerchix.com and have not found a single "bad apple" amongst those women. They are a very supportive, fun-loving and informative group of women that I am proud to call myself a part of. Further more, I have read almost every single post and have never seen ANYONE call ANYONE a "fucking bitch".

I am certainly not here to dis any of you...as I said I don't know you or your forum. I simply felt that someone should stand up for the 100's of women that are poker chix - can you really group us all together as a negative unit? Is that fair? Are you taking the high road? Or are you (just asking) being the ones who are using "hate" and negativity to make some obscure point?

You want to see which is the "better" group, LIPS/pokerchix or WPC? Well then compete. Fair and square. Mud-slinging will get no one anywhere.

And, IMHO, what goes around comes around.

May you all have a wonderful holiday season and prosperity to boot. GL in your games and your ventures.

Sincerely and with Bright Blessings.

8:07 PM  
Blogger magy said...

My comment is for "Castle". This is about an article that MissT wrote and was published. It has nothing at all to do with WPC. And yes she was unjustly and grossly smeared on that forum including the f part so your comments are misguided at best. Please leave this be, and let Tanya enjoy the holiday with her family and friends.

8:26 PM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

Castle,

The title is very fitting, so I don't really find it "interesting". I have pissed off some ladies.

I understand how you feel about PokerChix, it's exactly how I feel about WPC. However, if you look in the thread that was started about me, you will find slander, personal attacks, and yes, even the "B" word.

I certainly don't mean to single out the entire group of PokerChix as being "bad apples", however, when there is a post started about me with over 71 comments and the comments are all the same, and all in agreement to how terrible of a person I am, then yes, I can safely group the bad apples with the rest and call it "Poker Chix".

I don't believe there is a "better" group. I believe it is subjective, and I personally find myself treated better in WPC vs. PC.

Think about it. WPC is a women's group as well. I know that my article may have offended some WPC'rs just like it offended some PC'rs, but I have never, ever, been attacked personally by a WPC'r, nor has my family been slandered by a WPC'r.

"What comes around goes around"....sorry that just doesn't make sense to me because I have never, EVER attacked a particular person or woman or named names or anything, so that doesn't fly with me.

GL to you as well and Merry Christmas to you and yours.

T

6:47 AM  
Blogger HoneyPoker said...

As a member of PokerChix, I would like to extend a peace offering. The posts and comments were directed to your article, not you personally. Nor was any attack made on your family. You are exactly right about putting yourself out there in a public forum, you will become an adversary at most. It comes with the territory you've chosen to be a part of. I'm sure WPC has supported you as they are your home ground and would be expected too. Just as Pokerchix feels supportive and justified in their opinions, all should be respected.
Perhaps a GREAT topic for you to write about next Tanya would be "How to unite Women of Poker"...into a group to make women a force in the poker industry. A positive spin on all this certainly could go along way to healing wounds. So, I ask you now, will you take the olive branch I've extended? Let's see.....

10:52 AM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

Oh absolutely HoneyPoker, I accept the olive branch, in fact, I'm going to grab it out of your hand (politely though) and then pass it onto other PC members.

I don't have a problem with any particular PC member, even though there was ONE in particular who really went out of her way to attack me personally, even going so far as to threaten to kick my ass in person. (I feel like I'm back in high school).

I will respectfully and humbly disagree with your point on the posts and comments being directed towards the article and not towards me or my family personally. My husband was even brought into this and called a name, of which I will not repeat.

However, let's let the readers decide. I know this is nothing but drama, but for all my regular lurkers/readers go to www.pokerchix.com sign up for an account, go to the forums and click on the "Articles". There are 2 threads going with my name in the title. One was over 71 responses long as of yesterday.

Yes, I did go to PokerChix as I had to read for myself what was said before I stated what I have stated.

I'm sorry, but if you don't see most of the comments as being directed personally towards me and not the actual article, then we have some remedial reading issues.

Again, I would like to accept the olive branch, but I just want to make sure that that branch doesn't have a dagger at the end of it that will be in my back once I turn it. Surely, you can understand?

11:36 AM  
Blogger HoneyPoker said...

I get, and respect your point. I'd just like to point out that my reply post was and still is a "positive" one, meant to ease tensions and extend peace. Your last reply doesnt reflect the same. Sorry you are unable to accept a olive branch. I planted the seed, if you are unwilling to help it along, so be it. We will try no longer to be friends. What a shame. You cant let things go and move forward. I wish you much wisdom and truth in your future writings.

12:47 PM  
Blogger hotrod3004 said...

T, Just read through some of the comments on that page and good lord are they way off track. Its funny how success can be so intimidating to some people. I thought the points you brought up in the article were extremly valid and well thought out, and some of the points made by others in that thread, (including the one made by a couple that women are better poker players than men. And while yes that is definatley true about some women players who ARE fantastic and could be most, if not any man, as a whole I find it disturbingly untrue as the number of female winners in male/female events is surprisingly low.) were just petty and stupid. I feel ashamed as a person at the attacks they made at you personally.

3:44 PM  
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3:44 PM  
Blogger Welshman said...

OK I had to look. What a bunch of arrogant bitches who go on about not telling others what to think while ripping Tanya apart.

A lot of the stuff seems to have been removed. Fuck em all, I hate to think what they would say if there were men only events, idiots.

3:53 PM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

HoneyPoker,

I'm sorry that you have taken back the olive branch, again, I'm willing to accept it, however, surely you can understand how hard it is to accept it up front, with nothing resolved.

Just saying "Let's forget, have peace, move on" is not enough for me and my peace of mind due to the personal attacks on me and my family.

I'm a lioness with her cubs, what can I say?

Perhaps as time goes by and I'm attacked for my opinions and not for personal things, then the seed can be fully planted and grown.

I used to be a Poker Chix...I was friends with Lupe, and for her to allow this kind of attack, although she has not taken part in it at ALL, however, she is the owner who should be able to step up and stop personal and family attacks, is hurtful as well.

T

3:59 PM  
Blogger Felicia :) said...

"I used to be a Poker Chix...I was friends with Lupe, and for her to allow this kind of attack, although she has not taken part in it at ALL, however, she is the owner who should be able to step up and stop personal and family attacks, is hurtful as well."

Shades of Victory Poker. Go read my statement regarding their site from back in Feb 2004. http://f6.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EEyrQzcTao3SUbNfQosBgHBA865Nn82g4xiGd8SAUz4WnnZWUM_7Kfha6Du4-8vYU63RS_J1JaGw8mDmoGxm9g/Victory%20Poker

Too bad we both had to learn the hard way.

Had a great time last night! Sooo fun. E-mail about cruises coming your way.

5:06 PM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

I had a blast as well, and it only got better after you left.

I hit a jackpot on one of my leaks!! LOL

Was dealt A, A, A, Q. Held the 3 A's, was then dealt the 4th Ace with a 2 kicker, good for 2k!! Woot!

Then I hit 4 2's for $800, I stayed up all night long and ended up driving home at 7am in time to take Cherissa to school. Never even stepped a foot into my comped room, LOL.

Can't wait to get email, we're definantly meant to cruise together.

Merry Christmas girl!

5:09 PM  
Blogger Raycie said...

I would first like to say that although Tanya and I are both contributors to WPP magazine as well as members of WPC, we haven't always agreed about topics that are discussed throughout the forum. I equally did not agree with her opinion in her last article. HOWEVER, that does not give me the right to traduce her. Honeypoker, surely you must know that the amount of damage a group with malicious behaviors like those displayed by your fellow members cannot be swept under the "peace" rug with a single swipe of effort. Especially when there is threats and attacks upon a woman's family is involved. Tanya did more than would be expected of anyone in this situation when she accepted your offering of truce. Unfortunately you were unwilling to see how insignificant a single truce - which, btw, was far from an apology- was for the amount of damage she had been subjected to by the attacks of your fellow members. The bottom line here, IMO. is that Tanya, did nothing to deserve the maliciousness of those acts. Her opinion may not be shared by others, but she would never treat anyone with an opposing belief with the same disrespect as what was given her. In fact, she would defend the opposition's right to their own opinion. It's really sad that this society has fallen into such a state of self-righteous, self serving, demoralization that the need to be "right" about a matter which cannot be stated in a factual manner, can reduce some individuals to elementary levels of behavior. Well, as far as I am concerned, the fact that Tanya received no apologies from the individuals who decided they wanted to kick around the sand in the playground, shows the level of mentality these women are capable of. Tanya deserves to have her rights respected just as the individuals who disagree with her have the right to do just that... disagree. But we leave the name calling and the woman's family out of it.

Lupe is in a position which is public and rather exposed. That makes her quite vulnerable to anyone or anything which may cause her harm and she should conduct her business accordingly. Tend to your forum members Lupe and when these types of topics become elevated to the point of displaying a mob mentality, I would suggest you intervene and provide some reminders regarding what it is you are claiming as your purpose with these endeavors. If you wish to be taken seriously and respected, the best way to get it is for you to behave in a serious and respectable manner.

So, in the end of the day, the women who 'look up to you' since you have been soo instrumental in the crusade to bring them to the poker tables, are in dire need of a role model. Someone who can walk the walk and show them how it's done.

Feel free to contact me at my own space if you wish to continue to comment on what I have said here. I've taken up too much of Tanya space and I hope she will excuse me for the intrusion.

Thank you Tanya - though we've had our share of differing opinions, you have maintained a level of dignity, and were always willing to agree to disagree.

Lori Kennedy-Lindstrom

4:26 AM  
Blogger windOwillows said...

As an impartial observer I was curious so I checked out both sites. I saw NOTHING mean about your family Tanya. Don't know what you are talking about. I also clicked on the lind felicia posted and there was nothing there.

I did see lots of comments Re: you writing for a womens poker magazine and denoucing womens poker tournaments. Seems to me that the two go hand in hand.

I signed up easily for pokerchix, but am getting a run around joining up for WPC. Are they so exclusive that not everyone can join?

Just my thoughts.

6:48 PM  
Blogger magy said...

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6:29 AM  
Blogger magy said...

As mentioned above, the comments in the chix forum have been edited as they knew this blog existed, so most of the unethical comments have since been removed, I was also able to see Felicia's link.

As far as WPC is concerned, it is not an open forum where men or poker rooms can just pop in. You need to complete a membership application. This helps to maintain the integrity of keeping it an all women's association. You can mail webmaster at womenspokerclub.com if you want help.

6:33 AM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

Racie (Lori)

I appreciate your post and I appreciate you're stating how you disagree with me, even though we're both contributors to the magazine and even though we're both WPC'rs.

That's what being a mature adult is all about, disagree with me!! Tell me why you think I'm way off base, but don't attack me or my family, that's all I was trying to say.

WindOWillow,

Like others have said, as soon as I made this blog entry and the comments started coming forth, PokerChix removed the posts, which seems to be wise on their part as I was directing my readers directly to their forum and some readers were able to see the nastiness towards me personally, and not just towards my opinion or article.

I appreciate the efforts made by Lupe to control the personal slanders and attacks, even if it did come a little bit too late (71 posts) and even if it was only because of my posting this blog entry.

Sometimes we just need a little outside perspective to realize that something wrong is going on.

T

2:20 PM  
Blogger zupko2001 said...

you writing for a womens poker magazine and denoucing womens poker tournaments. Seems to me that the two go hand in hand.

3:58 PM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

I'm all for women in poker, I'm just not for WOE events, I don't feel WE (women) need the segregation. I feel this very strongly, obviously.

I want MORE women in poker, I just don't want them to feel like they have to have their own "special" event to play in, that's all.

4:06 PM  
Blogger zupko2001 said...

"you writing for a womens poker magazine and denoucing womens poker tournaments. Seems to me that the two go hand in hand"

Not necessarily true. Woman Poker Player Magazine deals with ALL women in poker. And believe it or not, there are women who play poker who disagree with womens only events. There are a few online surveys that support Tanyas view of WOEs.

WPP is not just about Womens Events it is about the lifestyle of women who play poker regardless of WHO they play with.

4:07 PM  

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