Pissing off the Ladies YET Again
Well, looks like the shit hit the fan, yet again, with my recent article published in Womens Poker Player magazine regarding WOE events.
It saddens me that it has to turn personal and so vindictive, and then they call ME a bitch for giving/stating my opinion? We are ALL entitled to our opinions, just like we are all entitled to not AGREE with a person's opinion. I never, ever singled out a particular woman. I never, ever personally attacked a particular woman.
Yet, it's OK for them to do so to me and then not be considered bitches? Is that hypocritical, or is that just me?
I haven't been to Poker Chix website in a long time, since the last time this particular shit hit the fan, and I don't want to go back. I know I'm not welcomed, and I know I'm hated over there. I have been told of some things that have been said about me though and it really saddens me.
I'm hated because I feel differently then they do. I'm hated because I have the nerve to state my opinion when it so strongly disagrees with their's. I'm hated because I come across a lot stronger and arrogant than I really am, but again, that's just how they perceive me. Most of them don't even KNOW me, but that's been happening a lot and that's what happens when you put yourself on the line by being active in the poker/forum/blogging community.
Disagree with my opinion, fine! Point out why I'm wrong, sure! Debate the issue with me, no problem!
But to call me a "fucking bitch" because of my opinion, to challenge me to play heads up to "show me" because of my opinion, to insult my family because of my opinion, then I have no choice BUT to attack back.
Listen to this carefully:
Read this VERY, very, carefully:
By posting what you Poker Chix's have posted on your forum, you have proven my opinions about MOST women to be TRUE.
Therefore, I don't need to say another single word about it, because you "ladies" are doing all the talking for me, and proving my point for me.
I have now closed the subject of WOE and will not discuss it again, save for comments on this blog entry.
It saddens me that it has to turn personal and so vindictive, and then they call ME a bitch for giving/stating my opinion? We are ALL entitled to our opinions, just like we are all entitled to not AGREE with a person's opinion. I never, ever singled out a particular woman. I never, ever personally attacked a particular woman.
Yet, it's OK for them to do so to me and then not be considered bitches? Is that hypocritical, or is that just me?
I haven't been to Poker Chix website in a long time, since the last time this particular shit hit the fan, and I don't want to go back. I know I'm not welcomed, and I know I'm hated over there. I have been told of some things that have been said about me though and it really saddens me.
I'm hated because I feel differently then they do. I'm hated because I have the nerve to state my opinion when it so strongly disagrees with their's. I'm hated because I come across a lot stronger and arrogant than I really am, but again, that's just how they perceive me. Most of them don't even KNOW me, but that's been happening a lot and that's what happens when you put yourself on the line by being active in the poker/forum/blogging community.
Disagree with my opinion, fine! Point out why I'm wrong, sure! Debate the issue with me, no problem!
But to call me a "fucking bitch" because of my opinion, to challenge me to play heads up to "show me" because of my opinion, to insult my family because of my opinion, then I have no choice BUT to attack back.
Listen to this carefully:
Read this VERY, very, carefully:
By posting what you Poker Chix's have posted on your forum, you have proven my opinions about MOST women to be TRUE.
Therefore, I don't need to say another single word about it, because you "ladies" are doing all the talking for me, and proving my point for me.
I have now closed the subject of WOE and will not discuss it again, save for comments on this blog entry.
posted by "MissT74" | 1:38 PM
12 Comments:
LOL. I've always felt that there is no place for "ladies" in poker (ladies not meaning females, btw). I figured you would eventually get caught in this trap. There is no good ending. Someday you're just gonna have to become a dude like me ;)
Why don't we celebrate your getting dissed and hated by the entire poker community now (sisterhood)? I knew you'd catch up to me one day. We can go to the Palms and get drunk and win a tourney.
Call me (yeah, I forgot your phone number, blame it on chemo).
I love you, MAN!!!
I'll call you.
T
I agree with you Nagy, I know a lot of wonderful women, A LOT. But it's the bad apples that spoil the whole bunch, but only you let them, right??!!
Castle,
The title is very fitting, so I don't really find it "interesting". I have pissed off some ladies.
I understand how you feel about PokerChix, it's exactly how I feel about WPC. However, if you look in the thread that was started about me, you will find slander, personal attacks, and yes, even the "B" word.
I certainly don't mean to single out the entire group of PokerChix as being "bad apples", however, when there is a post started about me with over 71 comments and the comments are all the same, and all in agreement to how terrible of a person I am, then yes, I can safely group the bad apples with the rest and call it "Poker Chix".
I don't believe there is a "better" group. I believe it is subjective, and I personally find myself treated better in WPC vs. PC.
Think about it. WPC is a women's group as well. I know that my article may have offended some WPC'rs just like it offended some PC'rs, but I have never, ever, been attacked personally by a WPC'r, nor has my family been slandered by a WPC'r.
"What comes around goes around"....sorry that just doesn't make sense to me because I have never, EVER attacked a particular person or woman or named names or anything, so that doesn't fly with me.
GL to you as well and Merry Christmas to you and yours.
T
Oh absolutely HoneyPoker, I accept the olive branch, in fact, I'm going to grab it out of your hand (politely though) and then pass it onto other PC members.
I don't have a problem with any particular PC member, even though there was ONE in particular who really went out of her way to attack me personally, even going so far as to threaten to kick my ass in person. (I feel like I'm back in high school).
I will respectfully and humbly disagree with your point on the posts and comments being directed towards the article and not towards me or my family personally. My husband was even brought into this and called a name, of which I will not repeat.
However, let's let the readers decide. I know this is nothing but drama, but for all my regular lurkers/readers go to www.pokerchix.com sign up for an account, go to the forums and click on the "Articles". There are 2 threads going with my name in the title. One was over 71 responses long as of yesterday.
Yes, I did go to PokerChix as I had to read for myself what was said before I stated what I have stated.
I'm sorry, but if you don't see most of the comments as being directed personally towards me and not the actual article, then we have some remedial reading issues.
Again, I would like to accept the olive branch, but I just want to make sure that that branch doesn't have a dagger at the end of it that will be in my back once I turn it. Surely, you can understand?
HoneyPoker,
I'm sorry that you have taken back the olive branch, again, I'm willing to accept it, however, surely you can understand how hard it is to accept it up front, with nothing resolved.
Just saying "Let's forget, have peace, move on" is not enough for me and my peace of mind due to the personal attacks on me and my family.
I'm a lioness with her cubs, what can I say?
Perhaps as time goes by and I'm attacked for my opinions and not for personal things, then the seed can be fully planted and grown.
I used to be a Poker Chix...I was friends with Lupe, and for her to allow this kind of attack, although she has not taken part in it at ALL, however, she is the owner who should be able to step up and stop personal and family attacks, is hurtful as well.
T
"I used to be a Poker Chix...I was friends with Lupe, and for her to allow this kind of attack, although she has not taken part in it at ALL, however, she is the owner who should be able to step up and stop personal and family attacks, is hurtful as well."
Shades of Victory Poker. Go read my statement regarding their site from back in Feb 2004. http://f6.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EEyrQzcTao3SUbNfQosBgHBA865Nn82g4xiGd8SAUz4WnnZWUM_7Kfha6Du4-8vYU63RS_J1JaGw8mDmoGxm9g/Victory%20Poker
Too bad we both had to learn the hard way.
Had a great time last night! Sooo fun. E-mail about cruises coming your way.
I had a blast as well, and it only got better after you left.
I hit a jackpot on one of my leaks!! LOL
Was dealt A, A, A, Q. Held the 3 A's, was then dealt the 4th Ace with a 2 kicker, good for 2k!! Woot!
Then I hit 4 2's for $800, I stayed up all night long and ended up driving home at 7am in time to take Cherissa to school. Never even stepped a foot into my comped room, LOL.
Can't wait to get email, we're definantly meant to cruise together.
Merry Christmas girl!
Racie (Lori)
I appreciate your post and I appreciate you're stating how you disagree with me, even though we're both contributors to the magazine and even though we're both WPC'rs.
That's what being a mature adult is all about, disagree with me!! Tell me why you think I'm way off base, but don't attack me or my family, that's all I was trying to say.
WindOWillow,
Like others have said, as soon as I made this blog entry and the comments started coming forth, PokerChix removed the posts, which seems to be wise on their part as I was directing my readers directly to their forum and some readers were able to see the nastiness towards me personally, and not just towards my opinion or article.
I appreciate the efforts made by Lupe to control the personal slanders and attacks, even if it did come a little bit too late (71 posts) and even if it was only because of my posting this blog entry.
Sometimes we just need a little outside perspective to realize that something wrong is going on.
T
you writing for a womens poker magazine and denoucing womens poker tournaments. Seems to me that the two go hand in hand.
I'm all for women in poker, I'm just not for WOE events, I don't feel WE (women) need the segregation. I feel this very strongly, obviously.
I want MORE women in poker, I just don't want them to feel like they have to have their own "special" event to play in, that's all.
"you writing for a womens poker magazine and denoucing womens poker tournaments. Seems to me that the two go hand in hand"
Not necessarily true. Woman Poker Player Magazine deals with ALL women in poker. And believe it or not, there are women who play poker who disagree with womens only events. There are a few online surveys that support Tanyas view of WOEs.
WPP is not just about Womens Events it is about the lifestyle of women who play poker regardless of WHO they play with.
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