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Wednesday, February 22, 2006

Done with JJ Issue

From PokerStars:

We reviewed the "JJProdigy" account on PokerStars and discovered that
he had played multiple accounts in some of our tournaments. This is
against our tournament rule #21:

http://www.pokerstars.com/tournamentsrules.html

Because of the severity of the infraction, we closed the "JJProdigy"
account. Obviously, we don't like closing a player's account, but the
integrity of our games and tournaments is our highest priority and we
will do whatever is necessary to ensure it.

Regards,

Grant
PokerStars Support Team


Then it was posted today on PocketFives.com that JJProdigy is, in fact, a 16 year old.

That changed my entire outlook on the situation. Not that what he did wasn't wrong all of a sudden, it is. He's still a cheat and still deserved just punishment, IMO, but....

As I posted on PocketFives.com:

My take on the issue:

What a monumental mistake, it doesn't bother me that he's 16, but the world
seems to be crumbling for him right now and I feel sorry for him. If PokerStars
has closed his account now, it seems reasonable that other sites are going to
follow suit which means his bankrolls on all sites will be confiscated and what
a blow that would be to an adult, let alone a child.

Before the flames start, "He deserves it, he's a cheating scumbag" blah blah
blah, keep in mind now that if he's really 16, this could drive him to do
something that I don't really want to think about, and that's why I feel sorry
for him. I hope his parents are around and I hope he has good friends nearby.

Think of how fragile a 16 year old can be at this point and let's have a little
human decency and compassion and not crucify him anymore. He made huge mistakes and
will now have to live with them. I'm a "new" P5'r and haven't been here long, he's
from what I gathered) a very big contributor here, ranked and all that, so you would
think that one of his "homes" such as P5 would back off a little bit, I'm not saying
back him in his faults, but back off him as a 16 year old can only take so much.
Does this make sense or am I just full of shit?

Tanya Peck


The bottom line is, JJProdigy, being 16 and male and having all this happening to him right now IS in the perfect statistical group for doing the extreme. Therefore, I am leaving the subject alone and will hope that the other online sites that I've contacted (UB and FT) will do their proper investigations and will leave it at that.

There is no need to further crucify a young kid, who although did wrong, is already being punished enough by having his accounts closed, his name and reputation completely tarnished now, and his money taken away from him. IMO.

9 Comments:

Blogger DuggleBogey said...

Why are you euphemizing it? When you say "going to the extreme" do you just mean "killing himself" or something else, like going out and robbing or hurting someone?

When you just say "going to the extreme" it makes you kinda sound like someone who is afraid to say something becuase it might cause it to happen.

And we all know being superstitious is unlucky.

4:11 PM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

Yeah, you're right and I'm shy on this. Sorry.

4:18 PM  
Blogger Mike D said...

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9:45 AM  
Blogger Mike D said...

I know it might seem like "his whole world is crumbling" right now, but I don't agree with some of your other statements. You said that this kind of thing would be hard for any adult, but imply that it would be even harder to deal with for a child or a teenager. I respectfully disagree.

I would wager that well over 99% of 16-year-olds in this country are broke or have a yearly income below $20,000. I know you'll agree with me that most 16-year-olds are supported by their parents. I feel like going broke at 16 is much easier to shrug off, since at worst you'll just go back to how life was before - broke and being supported by your parents.

For an adult, to suddenly "lose" $140,000, plus $40,000 in other funds plus who knows how much on other sites, might seem more drastic because you don't have the safety net of your parents' support to fall back on. It wasn't teenagers jumping out of windows when the Stock Market crashed in 1929, it was adults.

Teenagers, especially boys, and especially wily, intelligent ones, come with an ingrained sense of immortality. I feel like JJProdigy is much mroe likely to shrug this off and move on than to think something like this could kill him. At 16, nothing can kill you. Not when you think you're smart enough to beat the system, anyway.

9:49 AM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

I totally agree with your post, I was simply going off of his age, his gender and how the statistics show that the highest suicide group is what he is, but then I had been shown that that's not true, even though I KNOW I heard that before.

So, I still agree with you, but still feel that this is something that could drive him to the brink, especially with all the serious flaming that's going on and think how fragile a young boy's mental status is.

I could be way off base too, but my compassion overrules my indignities of his cheating right now. Sorry if that's wrong, it's just how I feel. : )

9:54 AM  
Blogger Mike D said...

If, many years from now, it turns out JJProdigy in fact didn't do anything irrational as a result of these events (like rob a bank or hurt himself or others), do you agree with me that the kid got what he deserved and deserves no sympathy?

He is an intelligent kid who used his intellect to try to cheat people out of their money. He knew it was wrong and he did it anyway.

I am not heartless. Of course I do not want him to hurt himself or others because of this. But I prefer to save my compassion for people who deserve it (see "why do bad things happen to good people?") rather than for people that have bad things happen to them as a direct consequence of their own evil intentions and who at all times were aware of what might happen, yet chose to do it anyway.

10:24 AM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

Question #1: Whether he does or doesn't do anything irrational as a result of this "event", he still deserved his punishment and I believe it was fitting. However, I can still feel compassion and empathy for what he's feeling, cheater that he is none-the-less. He got his punishment, he has to deal with it. However, the endless crucifying and flaming is unwarranted, IMO. It's like a convicted felon, once he serves his time (is punished) he does not deserve to be punished over and over again by his peers, such as the ridicule that JJ is experiencing.

Yes, he used his intellect to cheat people and that is wrong, but he is also JUST a kid, 16 years old, and at 16, even though you know right from wrong, are you really able to clearly comprehend the outcomes of your actions? I don't think most 16 year olds are, but maybe I'm just being too leniant. (sp?)

I appreciate your feedback.

10:35 AM  
Blogger Jacky said...

Hi,
Just a couple of comments on the last paragraph of your post.
Having his accounts closed is not a punishment, it is a consquence of his actions.
His deliberate actions to cheat do not show the conscience to feel bad about his tarnished reputation.
If it was obtained by cheating, the money confiscated was never HIS.
He has not actually been punished. The only consequence for him is the trouble he may have trying to play more poker. And here I think it is only right that a cheat is blocked from cheating.

5:29 AM  
Blogger "MissT74" said...

I hear what you're saying, but he has been punished. $140K of what he THOUGHT was his, literally MONEY IN THE BANK, taken away ALONG WITH 40K in his account, AND in his words, "His world" taken away from him by not being able to play online at this time. Of course, I'm sure he'll find a way to get back online, but I hear you, I still think he was punished and fairly so.

12:48 PM  

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